I just looked at it technically from the chart, in my opinion not giving a good buy signal for a trade at the moment. Don't know fundamentals of it, just would not buy it (it may go up, just I see better looking trade set ups at the moment).
I think there are a couple stocks to keep your eyes on...look at GSG, XTO, DXD, QID, FXP, SDS, GLD. These have been trending for a while and are correcting. May be good buys soon. Most of these go up when the DOW gets sold off. Good buys if we get a peak in the DOW for a long term hold possibly. This market is whipsaw...
I also made some good money on MR last week. Check out the set up (MACD hit -4 and it went up $5). I think DLB may have a similar move (hope so anyway).
YZC had a good pop off of a -10 MACD. Went up over $10 a share!
REmember to trade the MACD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It will make you all more money than almost any other technique.
Good luck everyone.
I think a good Post would be if everyone can find stocks which are at low MACD's. This way we can screen some good scalps and make big $.
I am contributing DLB for this week. (No guarantees but this MACD trade is one of the best trades we can get in this business!)
I am getting excited to trade AUY if it meets my criteria. (MACD touches -1, relative strength drops a little more along with %R). GOOD TIP to whoever posted AUY! I may buy 5-7000 shares and try to catch a $2 to $5 move.
On an intermediate to long term basis, SHW looks like a solid technical buy on a close above the trend line at 53.25. Interestingly, a close below 49.00 is an intermediate to long term sell. Solid support has formed on the daily chart at the round number 50.00 and the 50% Fibonacci line on the wekly chart is at about 49.20 going back five years. Aggressive traders could enter long at present levels in deference to support, but should not risk the position after a close below 49.00. In fact, you may want to wait and trade this either way. (This is just another viewpoint, which, together with about $15 could buy you.......a can of paint!)
Thanks for the technical analysis on SHW, (regarding longer term trade) Spreadtrader. I strive to learn the technicals of reading charts at your level some day.
Currently, I have been papertrading Mark's 4 indicator tech analysis and paper trades have shown some profits. Thanks to all for sharing!!!! I hope to be able to give back to the community too.
I recently got a book on daytrading, "trading for a living" by Dr. Alexander Elder. Interestingly He is a psychiatrist and strongly reccomends all traders attend AA meetings before trading as the same principles for Alcoholics applies to losing trades. Wow. I can see how losing can cause despair and strong desire to trade more to make up losses with emotional trades leading to further losses.
I ordered batting .800 as well.
Does anyone else have any other good books they can recommend for trading!
I have a lot of trading reading material and a book list on either PDF or MS Word that I'm willing to share.
I also have a copy of the original Turtles system rules in PDF (did you know that the original Turtles have published these rules for free...so don't worry about copyright) It's a good way to learn and observe how successful breakout position traders do what they do. It also demonstrates what a REAL trading system includes. I do not recommend that you actually use the Turtles system unless you thoroughly understand it. It's just meant as a "blueprint".
Respond privately with your email and I'm happy to send the material along.
I plan on writing a book about my "3 indicator system" and puttign it up for sale one day. Until then, let me answer some questions.
Spreadtrader: you said that to trade AUY is "very risky." I want to understand where this is coming from. AUY will be a good trade when/if all the indicators come into alignment. If they do, I will post my entry price here along with the number of shares I purchased so you all can follow me through this trade -winner or not. I trade an account with a 6 figures so a "large position" to other traders may be a "small position" to me. The size of the position does not matter anyway, what we are looking for is the highest % change no matter the #of shares/account size. I think AUY will be a good trade for $1-$5 possibly, but not UNTIL MACD touches near -1. If it doesn't go there, I will skip the trade altogether. You are in 2,000 shares. I think you got in early (I don't know your price) but I wish you luck as well.
JesusIS LORD: just because a MACD is at a bottom DOES NOT MEAN we can just go out and take a buy. When a stock gets obliterated like WLP has and takes a large GAP DOWN, all bets are OFF!!!! In my opinion it is TOO RISKY!! I wait for a more stable stock which has a MACD approaching a new even # low (Example- look at MR last week)-That IS A GOOD TRADE SETUP!! Some times a huge drop down CAN HAVE a huge pop up (BSC 2 weeks ago popping from @$2 to $10 in one week is a SICK TRADE 500% return, but not worth the risk in my opinion.
Remember: TRADING is an ART, NOT a SCIENCE. IF IT WAS a SCIENCE, then a COMPUTER SYSTEM would be able to PRINT MONEY. TRADING takes luck, patience, perseverance, ability to take a loss, ability to stay confident, and constant learning.
Good luck to everyone this week. I am long DLB. Waiting for AUY to drop more (hopefully).
MARC- AUY has reached -1 MACD (around $14 - ) and all "3 indicators "are pointing down . I am long AUY at 14.. You think its a good time to jump in , or did i act to quickly...
As long as you're quoting me, this is what I actually said in a private post to you:
RE: AUY
I hold a small position in Yamana, but I'm risking nowhere near $5,000 -$7,000 a point. Of course, you may have capital to burn and that's fine. But what you are suggesting is VERY risky, regardless of how the chart looks. This stock has gapped down 4 times in the last 2 weeks. (Based on the chart Yamana may drop down at least to the 12.70 to 14.00 range before this correction is over, as I've said in another thread. In fact, the stock would still be in an uptrend if it dropped to 10.30)
Do you understand why options are probably a better trading vehicle for what you're suggesting here? You're looking for this trade to work within the week or so after you enter, yes? April options don't expire until 4/18. The "ask" price on the April 15.00 call is .65. There looks to be decent liquidity in that strike price.
You could buy 5,000 calls (50 contracts)for $3,250 plus commission. That way, every point over 15.00 is $5,000 profit, just like holding 5,000 shares (you do have to subtract the cost of the options to obtain your net). BUT the very most you can lose on the trade is $3,250 total, not $5,000 per point. In fact, if you watched the trade and it went against you straightaway, you could sell the options immediately and probably save a fair amount of the $3,250.
I assume you trade this with a 5 to 30 minute chart?
Sometimes options are the better way to go if enough volume is there to get a fill; and it would seem that this is one of those instances.
I've read this thread and am looking at bigcharts w/ Marks' parameters but don't have a clue as how to see a buy or sell! any help would be appreciated!
Spreadtrader, i agree w/ you 100%, thats why i bought the $14 call , at .65 ..it is currently (12pm est) .80 - gold is taking a beating today, and has been correcting down for some time now, but i dont think it will go much lower ( maby $850 ?? ) maby someone who follows gold a little closer can chime in on this .I would like to hear some info. But when gold turns around , so will this stock,. Will it happen before 4/18 , I dont know, but i'm "Betting" so.( thats why they say there is "Risk") I'm looking for it to get back to $15 within a couple weeks,. GL guys
To follow up, AUY gapped down again today (into the range I was describing). Who knows what it will do from here? My comments were made in the context of the trading vehicle (shares or options) that you select to help you to CONTROL RISK, not whether or not generally "to trade AUY is very risky".
Mark, perhaps you should write a book because I find your description here of how you are risking $5,000 per point confusing at best. For example, I have asked you several times to please tell us what time frame you trade from (5 min, 30 min, 1 hour, daily?). You never tell us that. It is clearly an important factor in understanding whether your trading method is viable.
What are the parameters that you use for these 3 magic indicators? Do people understand that the indicator readings change if you change the math parameters? How will we know "when/if all the indicators come into alignment"? What then is your entry trigger? Where is your protective stop? Is it "mental" or do you enter your stop as an order?
How much are you risking on the trade at $5,000 per point? Professional traders typically risk no more than 2%-3% of their entire account on any one trade.
With my apologies to you, if you believe that "size of the position does not matter anyway", you are simply incorrect. You should read "Trade Your Way to Financial Freedom" by Van Tharp. He's a recognized authority on the subject.
Finally, I raise these questions and make these comments not to start an argument, but to give less experienced traders and trading students some things to think about. It appears that at least one person is attempting to work with Mark's method. In order to do that they need to have a clear understanding of what it is. If I am the only person who fails to understand, then I offer my humble apologies for wasting your time.
I have a question for you technical whizzes. (I'm coming around to believing -- a little -- in those durn charts.) Would you take a look at the very interesting charts (I'm going to give you the link) comparing the Baltic Dry Index to various other indices and tell me what wisdom you derive from it. I'm trying to decide whether the recent uptick in the transportation sector is significant -- and indeed what it might signify for commodities and the market as a whole. Hey, I know that's like looking for the key to all mythologies, but I know you guys can deliver! (Especially spreadtrader.)
I looked at the charts from the link you provided, and to be quite honest, this is the first time I've even ever heard of the Baltic Exchange Dry Index! :-) I looked at them though, and really the only correlation I can find is the blantantly obvious relationship between the BDI and Crude Oil! No surprises there...So basically I'm of no help!!!
It's bulk shipping spot prices. Mostly coal, iron ore, heavy loose stuff shipping companies. I have some egle that I picked up when it came out. Most pay good dividends. Coal is in demand due to South Africa electrical problems. Trying to calculate what world trade will be doing in a few months is anyones call.
I use daily price charts, weekly charts, and hourly charts. I break stocks down with all 3 sometimes. I usually trade just off of a daily chart. Here is an example how I used all 3 last week. I put %R, RSI, MACD into MR for a weekly chart and noticed that on a 3 year weekly chart %R was near a bottom as well as MACD. I also noticed that the price was OUTSIDE of the lower bollinger band. This made me think that a possible "buy" may be brewing. I then went to a daily one year chart and noticed that MACD was near -4, RSI was at a yearly low, and also that %R was low as well. I then looked at how the stock had been dropping off since MARCH 1st pretty strongly and knew a "pop up" was due soon. It was due for a few reasons: 1:shorts had to cover to take profit. 2: New LONGS would be lookign ot enter this "oversold" condition. I then placed my buy and scalped a few bucks.
GUYS and GIRLS----This is an ART, NOT A SCIENCE. I have a "feel" for the market based on experience trading. IT is hard to give you a clear "get in this day" get out this day" . All I can do is post when I enter and exit my positions.
I am currently in DLB because I see a similar situation brewing. DLB on a 3 year WEEKLY chart has a %R at -100% which to me means an oversold position. RSI is low, MACD has its vertical lines going flat meaning there may be some stability at these prices. I then clicked to a daily chart and found MACD, %R, and RSI at lows which to me usually indicates a buy. I am looking for a few points maybe to $40. This is the aanatomy of one of my trade set ups. Hopefully all goes well. I find that with continued execution of these techniques then money can be made over time.
My opinion on AUY is that it can pop up tomorrow (but I would NOT TAKE the BUY yet!) because the gap down today may get filled back up. I would personally feel a little more comfortable with a BUY if prices went to maybe @$13 and I saw %R drop down to touch -100 again, MACD give evidence of a slight curve horizontally, and RSI dip a little lower.
Good luck.
If these parameters are met I will take a position and give you guys my entry, etc.
I don't suggest people get in positions using these techniques if they are inexperienced or jump in based on "emotions". I don't understand what signal you guys used to get you to pull the trigger and establish positions early in AUY? Please explain what made you get in at your price levels so I can see the understanding behind it. I see a buy 8 days ago when %R touched -100 but that is it?
LET me give you the EASIEST TRADE to tAKE in YOUR LIFE....
ALMOST ANYTIME %R touches -100 and you "buy" that day and sell later you will make money.LOOK at the chart of AUY yourselves. IT worked about 95% of the time. 15 out of @16 trades.
WOMAN with portfolio- I took at look at those charts and could not make anything of them. IF I could get a ticker symbol and place my own parametrs then maybe I could. Also, is that a commodities chart?
Just some fatherly advice if I may. Be careful with that "feel" for the market knowing what the market may do by TA stuff. Your good mind may get mis understood. The indicators that you point to are only basic. TA is only one of many tools. Tell us that your analysis gave you your 2008 picks. NUFF SAID.
Be careful with your simplistic "system" and "feel" for TA that you speak of. I think you may be stepping off the base not knowing that the pitcher sees.
Thanks guys for pondering those charts. I've relied before on other analysts' predictions based on the Baltic Dry Index, so I thought I'd try to give it a shot by comparing it to other indices. There's usually a fairly direct correlation between the BDI and commodity prices because the prices of shipping (dry bulk), which the BDI tracks, indicate the supply and demand of commodities (routes to China are of particular interest). If the ships are in demand (and you can check it by specific routes), driving up spot prices, that indicates a high traffic in commodities on those routes. (One of you kindly pointed out privately an interesting correlation between soy bean prices and the FXI.) You can see from the charts that commodities have clearly outpaced the S&P over the past few months (and saved my portfolio, too), and you can see the plunging downturn in spot shipping prices that those of us who own shares in shipping companies have seen -- which preceded the recent drop in commodities. But it looks to me that there has been an uptick in shipping demand (and price), which may indicate further gains to come in commodities, despite all I've heard to the contrary. But it's not clear yet. I do know that shares of the small shipping company that I recently got on the cheap have begun to climb in the past few days. But I'm not holding my breath yet.
Thanks for your explanation Mark; and I'm glad to see that you got some of your money back in MR.
You have warned people who visit this site that you essentially trade by "feel" through your "trading is an art" statement; and that's appropriate and commendable. People should heed that warning, especially if they are inclined to try to follow your "recommendations".
I think I'll wait for your book to be published.........
Regarding AUY, I told you in private that "I hold a small position in Yamana". You then responded in public saying "you are in 2,000 shares. I think you got in early (I don't know your price) but I wish you luck as well." Thanks for wishing me luck, but I dislike being misquoted, especially about any positions that I may (or may not) hold in the markets. Therefore, I posted what I had actually said to you.
Last evening you asked: "Please explain what made you get in (Yamana) at your price levels so I can see the understanding behind it". The explanation is simple, but tedious and boring. I have a full time career, PLUS I actively trade commodities and dabble in Forex. I'm trying to learn stock fundamentals at the same time. There are a lot of stocks, but I've satisfied myself that Yamana is a "good" company in a sector that I believe is going places. Although I presently don't like the chart (and have said so here), I purchased a token position in Yamana so that it would not slip from my cluttered radar screen. I've done this with a number of other stocks; and I intend to buy more when the chart looks better. I'm presently down $166 in the "position". It's as simple as that. But it's actually more complicated because it goes to the heart of the difference between TRADING (which I do in other markets) and INVESTING (which I'm trying to do with stocks).
while i appreciate the interesting discussion mark has brought to the thread, id like to present the original question again...
does anyone know which 3 indicators are being hyped in the teaser that was mentioned in the original post?
i also got this email and was interested to learn more but didnt sign up figuring i would likely would end up with more gum on my shoe. the last time i signed up for one of these hyped email programs it was pretty much a re-hash of easy available information, which brought me here to gumshoe... cool site and thanks for the REAL scoop on these hyped up marketing investment angles.
mark have you tried automating your methods into a trading system platform such as tradestation or amibroker?
trading is certainly an art as well as science, but i do think its possible to automate the process successfully. ive been dabbling with amibroker and its quite helpful to backtest methods to see how they perform historically over different market conditions and timeframes. still have yet to come up with a system that provides satisfactory performance, but ill focus on the 3 indicators combination you mention and see if can get some good results.
The batting .800 course is the same course. It is about COMMODITIES , and NOT STOCKS but you can use many of the same methods with stock trading. I feel it is a good book to go through to get your "mind on the trading track" and to think like a professional trader. The book should come with 2 videotapes as well to watch. Ithink it is good.
Am currently looking through charts to find potential trade set ups for the next few days/weeks ahead.
Buy FXP. Bought 750 FXP. Look at a 3 year weekly chart. %R is @ -100. May pop up over $90. If PCX continues to rise will short it if shares are available. Sometimes there are none to short. Good Luck.
I'm reading an old Larry Williams book called "The Secret Of Selecting Stocks For Immediate....."
This was written in 1969 and re-done in the '80's. He is talking about accumulation and distribution as being major keys. This was pre-computers and internet so how do we track that on Big Charts, etc?
When you say all 3 must line up "exactly", how do you see this? Hold a ruler up to the chart? On the daily. 1 yr. charts, it's hard to see the exact alignment!
yes, I do mean look at a 3 year WEEKLY chart. I know the stock hasn't traded 3 years but I am not concerned with that. I am looking for another "angle". For example, look at a 3 year WEEKLY chart of GFA. It has not traded even 2 years yet, but what do you see? When %R goes near -100% good buy signals were triggered. I just use this as another screening tool. MR hasn't traded 3 years yet but look at that chart as well. Also JASO (recent buy). You have to get creative with the tools sometimes and keep going through charts and looking at results of past history....
I bought FXP because it looks like it had a big spike down (from @ $122 to @ $75, and it looks like it may have a bounce for a scalp. If prices go down even more tommorow I think this is a screaming buy...)
To check if all three indicators line up exactly on BIGCHARTS, I set the parameters as Mark directed and choose "INTERACTIVE CHART".
I then click the mouse once and a vertical ruler line can be dragged along the chart to any day and see the exact date. closing price and indicator values for each day. It is very usefull for lining up the indicators.
Good Luck.
I am also reading a book by Larry Williams. Batting .800. Good read so far. Larry is actually warning against day trading and scalping for points in the early chapters.
Hey Jesus... auy broke 15.40 back on 4/7 . The 6.6. may have been " the biggest move ...." but it was pointed out that the indicators lined up , back on 4/1 ... that was when i got in.. it hit 15 and change on 4/7 ( when i sold..) actually the retracement was textbook. The stock started down at @ $17 - then bottoned at just below 14 (4/1 ) that was when it was pointed out in this thread) a 33% retracement is typical.. if you do the math, that works out to $15.40 (or close) so that is what i used for my exit. I entered within $.20 of the bottom and exited within $.20 of "the top" (of the bounce) ... That little $1.40 move was good enugh for me to catch a DOUBLE of my money... So to answer your question, the "quick" move or the "swing " trade was about TWO WEEKS ago lol .
Looks like AUY just broke an important trendline. See - http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/SC.pnf?c=auy,P Dates back to last August - (or even '06 if you fudge $1.00). Be nimble out there folks.
My target for AUY is $8.00 in the next 12 months. Remember folks: The trend is your friend. AUY sustained serious damage and will likely be much lower. Be sure to see the Chart thread for education and the stockcharts.com charte listed above for a picture of AUY. Worth 1,000 words etc.
DLB made a sick return today like I said it would. I also said to stay away from auy it will drop more like it is. the best place for new money right now if you want to "invest" and not "trade" is in GFA. Buy GFA and hold for a few months and you will make money. I am currently looking at WX for a buy soon as a trade since it is technically oversold on a 3 yr chart. This trade "WX" is just for a quick scalp. MR may be a good play based on earnings report next Tues I believe. Wait until then. Good luck everybody!
Mark
Ps. Watch sohu for a sell coming up for a scalp. It is on a rampage and if it continues to get exceedingly overbought then some put options/shorts will make sick returns
be vERY VERY careful if you short sohu right now. I am looking at a short if it goes over @ $100 for a scalp. made a good deal on lfc this week. sold out today. am watching fcsx, mr, and wx . good luck! m
You would think sohu is in overbought territory with the way it has SOARED up recently, but its in a positive trend and on a buy signal. The sector its in - internet - is hot right now. I wouldn't consider shorting it until I see a significant movement downwards - which at this point ain't happening. Interesting thought though Mark, it has had a huge run-up and may be ready for a correction soon. Just a guess. As of now, the buyers are in control.
Some top analysts are still recommending SOHU. And some good sources that I trust are putting out a buy signal on Chinese stocks. I just read an interesting interview with the Chinese CEO of Baidu who says that the next innovations on the Internet are probably going to come from China. Already they have more Internet users than the U.S. I wouldn't short SOHU, as Marks says, unless you're very careful. (Actually I wouldn't short it at all, personally.) We can always count on a big dip from Chinese stocks, even on their way up. Right now I like Perfect World (PWRD). Worth checking out. Also AirMedia (AMCN), which just issued an eye-popping report. (I've mentioned this one before.) Check it out at http://library.corporate-ir.net/library/21/214/214947/items/291063/2007_20F.pdf. You're a captive audience at the airport, and looks like they're everywhere you turn in China's airports. They have entertainment program interspersed with the ads as well. Of course, folks might not be inclined to think positively about products while their flights are delayed, etc. As always, Chinese stocks require extreme caution.
I know you guys thought I was a little "out there" with my obsession with the Baltic Dry Index, but I hope you'll note that I'm not the only one. Here's the latest from Bloomberg (and by the way my little shipping company has come in):
"The Baltic Dry Index, a measure of shipping costs for commodities, rose to a four-month high after a reported jump in exports from Argentina increased speculation about a shortage of vessels in the Atlantic.
The index tracking transport costs on international trade routes advanced 274 points, or 2.9 percent, to 9,855 points, according to the Baltic Exchange in London. That's the highest since Dec. 14. Prices have advanced for four consecutive weeks, the longest winning streak since October.
``We've got people jumping over each other to pick up the ships that are available for May,'' Steve Rodley, co-manager of Global Maritime Investments Ltd.'s $278 million shipping hedge fund, said by phone from London. ``There have been good reasons all year why the market hasn't really taken off, but we've been pushing gunpowder further and further down the gun.''
Harvests in Argentina, the world's second-largest soybean exporter, have accelerated on dry weather and 67 percent of the crop was collected by May 2. Production may be disrupted if farmers act on threats to block highways to protest a new levy on overseas soybean shipments." xxx
And one of you who whispered looks to be right on soybeans.
made a good amount on WX the past few days. Liquidated the position (although it may go up more who knows?) Sohu had nice drop today as well.
I want you guys to realize that these trades are "scalps". High percentage get in and get out trades (not long term investments!)
The next trade set ups I am eyeing are a short on PCX soon, short on ZEUS, possible BUY back on SOHU, LVS buy possibly, if CHK keeps going up I will short when they take profits then possibly re-enter a long position.CHK, MR, GFA I think are the only "long term holds" I would currently suggest.
Ledan, that is the problem. If you wait for a "significant down move" then you miss the move. This type of trade I suggest is a scalp (meaning you want to catch that down move then get out quick). Good luck.
FTEK has been dropping recently and may be a good buy for $1-2 in a few days. When I trade these type of moves, I typically get in on 1000 to 5000 shares and try to catch a few bucks.
I dabbled in day trading but admittingly didn't know what I was doing. Thought I did, but I guess not. Took a beating, expensive lesson but I oddly had fun. But that endouver was thankfully short-lived. lol
Scalping points was tough. Hit and miss. More misses than hits.